BVC-CHAT RE: BVC Wed Time Trial
maddogwillie2002 at yahoo.com
Thu Jul 15 14:25:15 CDT 2004
>From the harddrive of HAL (the former virtual president of BVC)
Mat let me attempt to explain with my own unique fuzzy logic/thinking (though some claim my random programming cannot be construed as logic). The TT series were developed by Maddog and Englishman Cycling Promotions (MECP) as a method to generate more riders in the BCS area who were willing to train/ride hard and hopefully race as well as enlist more members for BVC which at that time was mostly a loosely connected group of cycling advocates. If my digital memory serves, the first season there were not any fees for the TT. The second season MECP began collecting $1 per ride/TT and most of the time people paid the $1 but not always. The 3rd season MECP went to the TT series pass for $10 and threw in a complimentary BVC membership with the pass. This was at the time when corporeal riders could join BVC by attending a meeting at the Brazos Blue Ribbon Bakery and eating a cookie since only members were allowed to eat the donated BBR cookies. The reason for the pass was to reduc!
amount of stuff maddog had to carry out to the start of the TT in his jersey pockets and get most of the money collected early in the series in order to avoid dealing with it on a weekly basis. Later MECP instituted a nonBVC pricing structure so that those that paid the $10 and became BVC members thought they were actually receiving a benefit for enduring the social stigma of joining BVC. So then the fees were $10 for the TTseries/BVC membership deal , $1 for BVC members and $2 for nonbvcers and it remained that way for the next fes years. As intended BVC grew and more people became active in the club and there was a push to have a BVC t-shirt so that people wear some identifyable apparal so that they would be recognized as members of cyclists from the BCS area. That's when the cost of BVC membership was increase to $15. Since it seemed to me illogical to have some people paying $15 to join BVC and offering the TT series/BVC memership deal at $10, we raised the TTseries /B!
to $15 and kept the per ride fees at $1/$2 for BVCers and nonBVCers. This past fall BVC raised the membership dues to $25. Hence I instructed maddog to readjust the TTseries/BVC deal fee to $25 and adjusted the other fees to make the combo deal financially attractive. This resulted in $2/$3 per ride TT fees. As far as maddog knows, no one has been denied a start and maddog certified accurate (or mostly so) time if they did not pay the per ride fee or the series fee whether they were a member of BVC or not. The fees go to help maintain the BVC website, the TT results page and therefore my continuing virtual existance. As a BVC member why don't you make a proposal that any AMCT members riding in their team jerseys be charged only $x per ride.
Mat Stephens <rubberducky187 at hotmail.com> wrote:
so can someone please explain why the time trial is so expensive? i believe the low turnout from any of the college kids is definately related to how expensive the series is. I figure i'll just go out and time myself for $25. yes you have to provide someone to time it for everyone but i seem to remember timing the event at least a few times last year, a non-bvc member, while only riding it on a tandem once. i also remember the a&m team organizing a thursday night crit series with scorers and not charging a penny, our perrogative yes, but we didn't go charging anyone outside the team, preferring to keep it free and attendance high. in the overall scheme of things, yes, $25 is cheap, but since in the past it has been cheap (free for members, $10 for non??), it now seems the opposite. what exactly am i paying for with this entry that i could do otherwise with my own stopwatch? I'm not getting cookies and lemonade am i?&! nbsp; there's no post ride message? We have to pay
Willie's salary?.. with a leader's jersey and points series for the A&M OSR ride i think we should start charging as well for our services! of course one rate for members, and a higher fee for nonmembers.
>From: Jean Marie Linhart <jeanmarie at brazoscyclists.org>
>Reply-To: Brazos Valley Cyclists <bvc-chat at PHILEBUS.tamu.edu>
>To: bvc-chat at PHILEBUS.tamu.edu
>CC: riders at PHILEBUS.tamu.edu
>Subject: BVC-CHAT Re: BVC Wed Time Trial 6:40 start time
>Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:56:32 -0400
>Quoting Chris Menzel <cmenzel at tamu.edu>:
> > Apparently efforts are underway to get KBTX to cover the Wed nite time
> > trial tonight. So Willie requests that tonight's start time be delayed
> > til 6:40 -- I imagine because that's when the KBTX truck can get there
> > or something.
> > Anyhoo, it'd be especially great to have a great attendance for the
> > occasion, so everyone who is able is encouraged to come out and ride!
> > The mild winds hold the promise of many a PR!
>Chris, are you coming out?!?!?
>If there's going to be a large group, it would be good for people
>to arrive a bit early anyhow. New people will still have
>to fill out waivers, and we will still have to get everyone
>into a start-order (regulars are pretty good at determining this
>ourselves, we can help new folks figure this out). We generally
>start in a reverse time order, i.e. slowest first, with
>a slight prejudice towards ladies (ahem, me) first when in doubt.
>Willie may also be interested to know that I had his TT materials
>and will be bringing them out with me. I expect to arrive
>around 6:20 pm. I will also have a few BVC t-shirts and water bottles
>at the event if anyone is a new or renewing member and needs 'em.
>Let me explain the time trial fee structure:
>the first time is free, BVC new members are free, BVC existing members
>$2 per TT or $15 per season, non members are $3 per TT or $25 per season
>(so you may as well, for your $25, become a member and get a t-shirt and
>a water bottle in addition to your TT fees). So if
>you've never done a TT before or at least not one of ours
>this year, you can come out tonight for free.
>See you out there.
>Jean Marie (TT frequent flyer)
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