[SCL] Re: Report on Common Logic

pat hayes phayes at ihmc.us
Mon Nov 3 20:26:35 CST 2003


>Tanel Tammet wrote:
>[...]
>>I have a few comments.
>>
>>The basic issue is that it would be worrisome if XML
>>syntax in the SCL spec would give SCL-in-XML
>>_more expressive power_ than say, SCL in KIF or
>>"traditional" or N3 syntax or whatever.
>>
>>In other words, anything having any _meaning_ in
>>SCL-XML spec should be expressible in other SCL syntaxes
>>(at least for the purposes of our spec!)
>
>It might be worrisome, but it's not a problem. It would only
>be a problem if the SCL semantics were altered. Nothing I've
>mentioned alters any of the meaning of anything. It simply
>provides features that enable linking, interoperation,
>transformation, etc.  It very well may have more "expressive
>power" in that it may be more widely functional than KIF. So
>what? I don't see any reason why an XML syntax should be
>somehow handicapped merely because KIF or some other SCL
>syntax can't do what it can do, e.g., link with other XCL
>documents, or mix with other markup. On the contrary, one of
>the reasons to create an XCL syntax is to be able to do things
>you can't do with KIF -- why else bother then?

Yes, I agree. I also agree with Tanel, so I think (hope) that you are 
talking past each other.

>>Hence, the nice stuff Murray was thinking about for
>>the XML syntax should be in our report also for
>>the ABSTRACT syntax, or not at all.
>
>I disagree. Unless there's something in the XCL syntax that
>alters the abstract semantics. I've never suggested anything
>of the sort. There will be things that XCL can do that can't
>be done in KIF, but those things won't have to do with the
>semantics of the XCL expressions themselves.

Right, so to talk about 'do'ing here might be a bit misleading. 
Nobody (?) is suggesting that SCL or XCL should be describning things 
like document structure in the *model theory*, right?

Pat

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